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Post by BoW GaCAman on Feb 26, 2015 8:23:16 GMT -5
Russians and gun ownership I have had (and still do, in some cases) a good number of friends in the former? USSR (it's gone back to that, under Putin) and something interesting I want to say about them. Every single one of them says that 'THEY (talking about THEMselves) can't be trusted with a gun'. No, not the government (like our forefather's taught), but they say if they are given the right to be free and own a firearm that they'll shoot someone. Were ever a people so bound by propaganda as this? At first I thought it was just a personal quirk of the first few russian friends I asked about it, but over time every one of them I mentioned it to said (in so many words) the SAME thing!! If gun control reduces crime, then why is Russia's murder rate so high? [Yahoo Answers] answers.yahoo.com/question/index;_ylt=A0SO8xc8CO9U25YAYXFXNyoA;_ylu=X3oDMTBzdmVvZmlwBGNvbG8DZ3ExBHBvcwMxMAR2dGlkAwRzZWMDc3I-?qid=20110109221111AAOSdgb
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Post by BoW GaCAman on Feb 26, 2015 8:25:44 GMT -5
Uncle Joe Jidas@Molon Labe Forum I am a member of an international hunting group on FB. From there, I found a group called 'Hunting in Russia' Some of the coolest pics of landscapes and game I have seen. So somebody is using firearms over there. As far as 'private, urban, handgun/semi auto rifle ownership' goes, I'd encourage you to consider where all this totalitarian socialism crap started. No one has ever been 'free' in that country. Their chronology reads like a paranoid nutcase nation waiting to happen: (talk about an f'd up huge country!) Czars Bolsheviks Joe Stalin (shit, we can't round up and kill millions of our own if they have firearms!) Nazis / Einsatzgruppen (wanna kill millions of Russians, Joe? shit! we'll help you) Joe Stalin (now I have A-bombski, too!) A string of idiot leaders not quite as bad as Joe Stalin Collapse / Gang Rule Vlad I'm thinking, if only they had more good jobs there...
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Post by BoW GaCAman on Feb 26, 2015 8:27:39 GMT -5
Very good few paragraph summation there, Uncle Joe. I did some research into that, and they did possess personal arms (rifles, and revolvers) under the czars, but as you pointed out along came Lenin and Stalin and 'fixed' that little "problem" the people there had.
Related YouTube concerning the common Russian's view of us as a society:
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Post by BoW GaCAman on Feb 26, 2015 8:28:45 GMT -5
Grumpy Old Man@Molon Labe Forum Ever since the commies took over Russia's gun laws have been brutal and repressive, with some easing after the fall of communism that has been an ongoing process. It does look like the Russians' gun laws are getting significantly better there of late though - rt.com/news/206703-russia-guns-self-defense/They've had sporting exemptions for handguns for some time with civvy legal versions of the Makarov and Yarygin (polymer frame on the civvy gun compared to the military one) and just put in a self defense category for handgun ownership/portage. Foreign made guns are pretty rare there from the look of it. Not sure how hard it is to get a permit for a defensive handgun in Russia in practical terms, though reading what I've been able to find on it, there are cities and states in the US that are far more restrictive. Looks like they've got a 10 shot mag limit over there, but do allow Saiga and Baikal pattern weapons. That would be about on par with Kali, CT, MD, and a whole host of other states with 'assault weapon' laws. No offense, but I'd describe Putin as halfway to being a new Czar, and the Russian Federation as being on track to restore the Czar's Russian Empire rather than his Russia as a being a reconstruction of the Soviet Union, since communism is not a part of the governing structure and there is no Russian growth potential based on internationalist ideology. Communism and fellow travelers abroad was a big part of what made the Soviets dangerous, far too many Americans fell for it and still believe in commie ideals today. Regrowth potential to the Russian Empire is based on ethnic and nationalist grounds - i.e. Russian nationalists in neighboring states may try to reunify with the mother country, with a little help from the GRU and some very polite people. If Putin should fall at some time, which is possible, I expect it to be to a right wing nationalist junta and that will be dangerous to places like Latvia, Lithuania, and Estonia, not to mention Ukraine and Belarus, where his successors will act with less restraint and more adventurism. Looks to me like the Russian military is rearming for a conflict in the next half decade. They recently announced that they're going ahead with a major MBT upgrade to the Armata T-14 package. That's a huge investment that won't be done until the end of the decade, but will leave them with a next generation MBT at a time when many in our gov't are cutting big ticket military spending for peer on peer weapons. But that doesn't mean we have a full half decade until things kick off with a black swan event - Hitler told his Wehrmacht that there would be no new general war until 1945 at the soonest. I believe that was some time in 1938 or early '39, so only months later WWII started due to a series of miscalculations. Best, Grumpy
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Post by BoW GaCAman on Feb 26, 2015 8:30:31 GMT -5
Quote Originally Posted by Grumpy Old Man: "Ever since the commies took over Russia's gun laws have been brutal and repressive, with some easing after the fall of communism that has been an ongoing process. It does look like the Russians' gun laws are getting significantly better there of late though - rt.com/news/206703-russia-guns-self-defense/ They've had sporting exemptions for handguns for some time with civvy legal versions of the Makarov and Yarygin (polymer frame on the civvy gun compared to the military one) and just put in a self defense category for handgun ownership/portage. Foreign made guns are pretty rare there from the look of it. Not sure how hard it is to get a permit for a defensive handgun in Russia in practical terms, though reading what I've been able to find on it, there are cities and states in the US that are far more restrictive." Bo: One of my contacts inside says that Putin hates the ground the resident in DC walks on and she also stated quite emphatically that the propaganda machine (television, primarily, but also with banners/billboards) over there has revved up like a big-block in the last few months, showing him as a monkey with a banana stuck in his mouth. Her words, not mine. I'm just reporting what she said.
She also says any reports of them being able to get a handgun for personal use/home defense are not true.
Lastly, I saw a documentary a few weeks ago about Putin in which the folks he's jailed and exiled say that he's stolen at least 40 million dollars (ruble equivalent) from the treasury. One guy was basically Putin's personal accountant and when he questioned all the funds coming in Putin told him 'I am the czar, you are the peasant, so don't question me'. Same dude he sent off into exile, later. Anyway, please watch the documentary, but be sure you're not eating or standing up when you do. I don't believe the content so much because it's a documentary, but rather due to the interviews with Putin's enemies who say the things I'm reporting. MOST disturbing, to say the least!
video.pbs.org/video/2365401766/
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Post by BoW GaCAman on Feb 26, 2015 8:42:04 GMT -5
Quote Originally Posted by Bo: "One of my contacts inside says that Putin hates the ground the resident in DC walks on and she also stated quite emphatically that the propaganda machine (television, primarily, but also with banners/billboards) over there has revved up like a big-block in the last few months, showing him as a monkey with a banana stuck in his mouth. Her words, not mine. I'm just reporting what she said.
She also says any reports of them being able to get a handgun for personal use/home defense are not true.
Lastly, I saw a documentary a few weeks ago about Putin in which the folks he's jailed and exiled say that he's stolen at least 40 million dollars (ruble equivalent) from the treasury. One guy was basically Putin's personal accountant and when he questioned all the funds coming in Putin told him 'I am the czar, you are the peasant, so don't question me'. Same dude he sent off into exile, later. Anyway, please watch the documentary, but be sure you're not eating or standing up when you do. I don't believe the content so much because it's a documentary, but rather due to the interviews with Putin's enemies who say the things I'm reporting. MOST disturbing, to say the least!"
Grumpy Old Man: The first part is certainly true. Americans are now "pindo" ("penguins" due to our rep for being overweight) and I've seen plenty of pics of the fearless leader with a bannana over there. While I don't like Putin, I understand his feelings for obama. Hates the ground our fearless leader walks on? I can understand that. After being reamed by obamacare, having more federal BS rules shoved down my throat at work, and having to fight every inch of the way for our 2A rights during these last few years, I really can understand that feeling.
It could well be that the handgun permitting process in Russia is one where only "politically reliable" folk (i.e. Putin loyalists) can get them. Don't know, I'm not there, just watching the international situation from stateside, trying to guess when the next general war starts. Any Russian made products (camo gear for the airsofters/re-enactment crowd, vacuum tubes for the electronics crowd, mechanical watches, etc) had best get 'em soon since I think trade is going to shut down in the next months to years. Thank heavens Stoli for the export market is bottled in Latvia, though if anything happens to them I'll have to be careful with my tiny reserve stock of the stuff.....
Russia has always had brutal, repressive regimes that will steal anything that's not nailed down and they'll have a go at that too. Just sayin' that I don't think this regime is as dangerous as the Soviets were - they infiltrated our society with consequences we're still living with and were constantly tooled up to roll through the Fulda Gap. This crew will need another half decade to get their submarine fleet and tanks ready to challenge the west again and if anything happens before then I don't think they'll do well in a conflict. For every fully kitted out T90 MS in the inventory they've got several aging T72's without arena systems to protect from top-attack missiles, etc. China is the wild card there though, since the dragon wants it to be a Chinese 21st century and they could get something going between Russia and the west then move in to pick up the pieces. As I said, just watching, and the game of kings never ends or gets less cut-throat.
Best, Grumpy
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